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Also, there is no edge of the flat Earth, but rather an ice wall in Antarctica
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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"An antarctic ice wall may not span" That isn't the only picture of it
Also, even if the ice wall did not span around the entire Earth, that would not guarantee an edge to fall off nor disprove the flat Earth. So this is irrelevant.
And to explain boats and planes going around the Earth.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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"Objects and people would fall off the Earth if there was curvature" I'm going to presume you mean if it was flat. I think I got the edge down for you, there isn't an edge to fall off. And I also explained boats and planes, which you are implying are the same as weather. Weather goes across, boats and planes go around.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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The reason I don't trust NASA imagery is because they have admitted on several occasions to faking images.
http://debateisland.com/discussion/1283/nasa-admitting-to-faking-images/p2 Have you seen my debate on NASA imagery? I post some links here.
However, you don't need their word to see it.
Here we can see the continents shrinking and growing and changing color
And you can also see copied and pasted clouds.
The images I provided were provided to address the tired, old, outdated and worthless "Nobody has fallen off the edge of the Earth". The vast majority of globalists I have debated either started out with or turned to the tired, old, outdated and outdated edge argument. You and Trollveny are the only ones who haven't. Again, the images I provided were provided to address the "edge" argument. Could you explain why they are uncredible?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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They are uncredible sources because they've not been verified by any real science or proven to be true through evidence. None of the world's public intellectuals and/or science communicators believe the Earth is flat - they actively promote the factual evidence to show that it is not.
How would the government benefit from lying to us about the shape of the Earth?
In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?
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This is both a strawman and appeal to the stone fallacy. I was never arguing that it was fake because of clouds. You also completed ignored the copied and pasted clouds and regardless of which image you are saying "looks like a meme and looks entirely uncredible", thats a flag. That doesn't disprove that the NASA images look entirely different or that there were C/P clouds.
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"@SilverishGoldNova can you provide me with some sources to show that NASA openly admit to their photos being fake? If you're talking about NASA 'admitting' that their photos are edited using photoshop, that does not mean that they are fake. Most of the photos you see of the Earth consist of several little photos made into one. Apply this principle to other images. If I take a panoramic photo of the beach on my smart phone, that is an image that is made up by several other images. Does that mean that image is fake? Does it not accurately depict the scene I was trying to capture? " I thought I already gave links and debunked the narrative NASA only does this so they look nice.
"They are uncredible sources because they've not been verified by any real science or proven to be true through evidence. None of the world's public intellectuals and/or science communicators believe the Earth is flat - they actively promote the factual evidence to show that it is not." This is not a good enough explanation. This is an appeal to authority fallacy. You just claimed that my images were uncredible sources because an authority thinks they're uncredible.
"In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?" I already explained that, no matter how many times you posted. Boats and planes can still go around a disk shaped Earth.
Also, I noticed you went back and a bunch of my posts as fallacy. Could you explain what fallacies I used, like I did with you? Or, is it just because I some of your posts as a fallacy?
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I'm not asking about planes and boast going around the disc shaped earth, I'm asking if they went in one straight line continuously. They would eventually have to reach the edge.
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If you're going to claim that the photos of the earth are original from NASA, you need to provide links to the publications made by them of the same photos. The chance that they have been manipulated to fool people like you is very, very high.
"What colour are the oceans and the land?" The colour of the oceans and the land differentiates in each photo because of the technology that was available at the time.
"Why is there never any real video of the Earth spinning?
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/108981733
"Why are the images so varied?" Because each photo is taken on a different camera showing the earth at a different point in time, from a different perspective.
I didn't ignore the point of copy & pasted clouds, I asked you to provide links to the original photos as published by NASA to prove that the photo you posted has not been tampered with or altered.
I am not claiming that scientists and cosmologists are immune to making mistakes. But are you telling me that for centuries every astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist, scientists and every other kind of public intellectual have been consciously lying and/or making critical mistakes in their research for several centuries?
Can you also explain the above diagram?
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It is told we can see curvature at 35,000 feet but there is none to be seen here. Also, this is not the full rebuttal to Hank's post. I know you two are probably going to start another series of spamming, ranting and gish galloping, and flag my post as a fallacy, but here you go.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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You still haven't responded to my argument from before.
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"and would be forced to turn around either by force or lack of supply"
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Erf already refuted most of it for me. Also, the reason it appears curved at that height is because at a very specific angle curved windows can turn flatness into curvature. It's kinda like a fish eye lense.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Like this
Or do both. And by the way Hank. That is called Appeal to authority.
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"so are you claiming that the Earth appears to be curved at 35,000 feet but becomes flat when you go above that altitude?"
You can't see the earth's curvature from 35,000 feet, nor can you see it at over 110,000 feet.
"You still haven't responded to my argument from before."
Please state your arguments and evidence for a flying globe.
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So are you now telling me that every singly plane that has ever been produced has been fitted with special windows that act like fish eye lenses, but only above a certain altitude?
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You cannot ignore factual evidence given to you just because it proves you wrong. NASA have never admitted to completely faking their imagery. @SilverishGoldNova posted two photos before asking a list of ridiculous questions - all of which I answered.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are suggesting that astronomers, cosmologists, astrophysicists, public intellectuals, governments and NASA have all been simultaneously lying to us and making critical mistakes in their research that no other scientist has managed to stumble upon or dispute.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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If you're asking why your photos are fake, it's because (as I stated before) they've clearly been manipulated to fool people like you - show me the originals.
If you're asking why your sources are fake, it's because they don't use mathematics, science, logic or reasoning to prove their points. They try and deny basic mathematics - something that simply cannot be disproved.
I'm claiming to use facts, yes. I know that they're facts because they are support by centuries of research that has been verified, approved and certified by the smartest people on the planet who have no ulterior motive and do not associate themselves with the government. The 'facts' you claim do not come with real evidence or secondary approval by people that actually know what they're talking about and have the qualifications to prove so.
Explain this:
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  Avg. Grade Level: 12.8  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 94%  
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  Considerate: 71%  
  Substantial: 26%  
  Spelling & Grammar: 90%  
  Sentiment: Neutral  
  Avg. Grade Level: 5.82  
  Sources: 0  
  Relevant (Beta): 79%  
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